Now you can't download Trial mp3's from this blog. You should thanks to Timm Macintosh from Trial\Panic Records. He thinks that people shouldn't listen mp3's and he has copyrights on Trial mp3's. He wanna you buy stuff from him and don't listen Trial. This situation changed my mind about this label. Everybody who thinks that hardcore music has any copyrights can suck. Don't read this blog in that case. For me hardcore is message and ideas. Not selling records or cd's. So thanks, Timm. You said no one buy stuff from you - I hope everybody who wanted to do this in future will change his decision.
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ReplyDeleteDont care about what he said Man!. Don't care about the copy rights! Hc is not for money! Continute your mission on this blog for many poor people who just cant buy the records but they love sxe and hc ideals!. Besides many of records from your blog is very hard to find so you just doing as a big favour. Fuck hc for the money!!!!!!!!!! Me - greets from pl
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, Timm didn't say no one should listen to MP3s. It sounds like he wants people to support his (and others') efforts to write, record, and release quality music with a quality message.
ReplyDeleteAs a person who is in a band and has run a small label, I can tell you both cost a lot of money. Ten years ago, going on a DIY tour cost $100 per day, easily. Today it's probably more like $200 per day; between gas, food, maybe even a hotel for the night. Records cost money to record and press. Rehearsal spaces cost money to rent. Guitar strings and drum sticks aren't free either... Even a good website costs money.
People in bands and who run labels should do it because they love it. But that doesn't mean they should give out their work and art for free.
your attitude towards this sucks. why should people give music away for free? it costs money to make and reproduce. TImm isn't rich, and doesn't ever aim to be...he just wants to break even so he can continue to put out music. Why is that so wrong? As far as poor people not being able to hear it...why not just stream records?
ReplyDeleteIt's not first time i heard shit about Timm/Panic rec. and I heard it from my loooong time friends which are involved in HC too many years as me.US HC scene is greedy as fuck and it's a shame.Ideals are gone and I'm proud for our european scene. Yeah, here is a lot of idiots, but where they are not? :) Greets from Prague xXx
ReplyDeleteyour attitude and choice of words towards this really sucks and just show how disrespectful you are. if an artists asks you politely to remove the links for his only source of income (which is most likely the case for hc bands), you get angry and talk shit about him, don´t think that`s a good way to go about it and handle it ... in a scene like ours, unity and commitment should also be about keeping bands on the road and making sure they don´t have to pay to much themselves, at least respect them by buying their records if you like them ...
ReplyDeleteWho cares about Trial anyway..? I dont even like them...
ReplyDeleteWell, now I'm sad that I bought Trial vinyls on their last tour in Europe. And I bought them because I downloaded it from this blog. Bought a T-shirt too. So, all together, left them like 35 EUR (around 45US$?). Just me. And all other guys that went to the same show bought at least T-shirt and one LP. So, it's far away from truth that no one buys. And here where I live, lot of people do not have money to buy stuff. And we are talking about buying stuff, we are talking about corporate behavior. My understanding was that Trial stands against that.
ReplyDeleteyou guys annoy me to no end, there`s a big difference between corporate behaviour and paying for recording/touring/instruments/pane tickets etc. and wanting to make a little bit back ...
ReplyDeletedeath to capitalist hardcore. music cannot be owned. what ideals i thought trial held, were quickly dispelled after meeting them. now this. shitty band. shitty people.
ReplyDeletei play in about four bands. i loose money on them because i love hardcore and it only survives because we put what we can into it. dont try and make a living off it.
ReplyDeleteTo Anonymous guy after my comment:
ReplyDeleteI have explained how you could get some of money you invested in hardcore back (investments and hardcore, just doesn't sound right in the same sentence in this way)...and if Trial had prices just a few dollars higher, we would all still buy stuff...
no-one gives a fuck how much you love hardcore and lose money, it doesnt get you scenester points or being so diyzzzz. timm, greg and roger are all awesome dudes, not shit people. timm puts money in, it's his art and it should be his choice who distributes it publicly.
ReplyDeleteyou know some people, like timm run a record label, and are going broke because of it. i download music like the rest, but i also try to support labels and buy albums and merch from them. i also have played in numerous bands. get off your computer that was built by sweat shop labor and shut the fuck up.
ReplyDeleteCopyright is a very strong word to use in this sense. I doubt Timm has actually gone out and put copyrights on Trial songs, that would be insane. All he did was to kindly ask you to take them down.
ReplyDeleteAlso dude, some people actually want to buy records as well as listen to the mp3s, does that make them 'not hardcore'?
You say: "For me hardcore is message and ideas." How do you think the message and ideas are spread: by touring. How do you contribute to fund tours: selling records and merch.
You know looking on all the kids who spend so much money on shirts and shoes and don't support bands I can understand Timm. Yeah maybe it's not that often the case here in ex-USSR scene, but from his perspective I think it's true.
ReplyDeleteAlso, you can stream the entire Trial LP and read all the lyrics here: http://wordsasweapons.com/category/music/trial/ And that site is maintained by Greg.
Also I think the last comment sums it up pretty well.
this guy give us a choice-we can buy Trial records or download them from the blog like this. I dont have a fucking money to buy records so I download them from blogs like this its very simple. You talk to much people..Nobody cant stop download music from the internet because records are very expensive and really hard to find. If you are rich buy them if you cant buy them just download them from blog like this. Enough!
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong ... I love this blog. But if it's not your music ... it's not your call on how it is handled. Stick to the out-of-press shit.
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